Tucker Carlson Guest Appeared on Antisemitic Podcast Week Before Return Appearance

Internet personality Darryl Cooper will make a return appearance on Tucker Carlson's web-based interview show Thursday night, with Carlson promoting him ahead of publishing the interview as "the most honest historian" and "the most august historian in America."

But just a week ago, Cooper appeared on the antisemitic, eponymous Pete Quinones Show for "a discussion of the Jewish Question" with the host. Throughout the 95-minute episode, Cooper not only failed to challenge antisemitic commentary from Quinones, but affirmed antisemitic views—including that Israel and Jews direct US government policy, and that Jewish culture is a survival mechanism evolved by an alien group.

Cooper stirred controversy last September after his first appearance on Carlson's podcast saw him offering Holocaust-revisionist takes on the history of the Second World War, but received cover from influential fans including Joe Rogan, who insisted that he was not antisemitic.

His appearance on the Pete Quinones show raises fresh questions about the nature of Cooper's ideological commitments, and the capacity of influential podcasters to assess them.

The End contacted both Darryl Cooper and the Tucker Carlson Network for comment on this reporting.

Jews Control America, Cooper Claims

Cooper, 44, based in rural Blanchard, Idaho, is a history autodidact who publishes a long-form podcast, MartyrMade. The podcast's revisionist takes on recent history have won fans on the right and far right. He has collaborated with other major podcasters with right-wing audiences including Libertarian anti-war campaigner Scott Horton and former Navy Seal Jocko Willink.

Several times in the 10 July podcast with Quinones, Cooper stated that Jews as a group have achieved a degree of control over the U.S. government.

Early in the recording, he argued that other ethnic groups "try to do what the Jews do in America. They try to get the American system, American government, to like bend to their ethnic interests, and some of them are more or less successful in various ways."

But "nobody's as successful as the Jews because the Jews are just really good at it," Cooper said, attributing this to the fact that "they've been an urban people for a lot longer than the rest of those have. And so they're literate, they're urban. This is kind of a part of their culture."

Cooper also attributed this success to a list of Jewish stereotypes: "they're tight-knit. They're intelligent, you know, in general... they have a religion."

He also repeatedly appeared to depict Jews as essentially parasitic, alien and manipulative, saying "they have a cultural tradition going back, I mean, thousands of years, at least, that is really based on teaching them how to survive and thrive in host societies by endearing yourself to power and learning how to bend it to help and benefit your own people."

Echoing White Supremacist Theories

Cooper echoed arguments made by antisemites like retired academic psychologist Kevin McDonald, who portrayed Jewish culture as having been shaped by a "group evolutionary strategy."

In the podcast, Cooper claimed that "you can take this all the way back even to dietary laws and things like that are a sort of a survival guide for a people in exile. You know, it's a how do you hold together, resist assimilation, and just sort of maintain your own sense of identity and safety and get all the things that you need from a host society over time."

Cooper also sought to explain a purported "deep-seated hatred and resentment" of diaspora Jews for gentiles through a "narcissism" that developed after Jewish emancipation in Europe by "people coming out of the shtetls."

"And so that feeling of superiority that's constantly rebuffed and constantly sort of sent back by your encounters with the real world... That's the core problem of the narcissistic personality," Cooper said.

He continued: "you're the chosen people, you're going out into a society that is, that has been constructed by people of a faith that your whole cultural and religious identity is a rejection of."

Cooper concluded: "And in recognizing every day that, yeah, we're the chosen people. This is our world and they're just living in it. But you look around and you realize that clearly this is a superior civilization and I feel like a yokel every time I go outside. It can create a sense of real resentment."

Invoking "Judeo-Bolshevik" Conspiracy

Cooper also echoed "Judeo-Bolshevism" conspiracy theories that characterize leftist politics as a Jewish strategy of subversion. He told Quinones that Jewish communists, in particular Trotskyites, sought to "break down all the countries, all the cultural differences, all the national differences, linguistic, break them all down" to provide "a way out of exile" for Jews.

He also connected Trotskyism to Jewish identity, saying "people think that [Jews] were all Trotskyist just because Trotsky was Jewish. And, I mean, Trotsky was the way he was because he was Jewish... They didn't follow him because he was Jewish. He had the approach and the ideas he did because he was Jewish.

Later, he referenced Winston Churchill's 1920 essay Zionism versus Bolshevism, which depicted the struggle between "Zionist and Bolshevik Jews [as] little less than a struggle for the soul of the Jewish people."

Churchill, in an essay which itself has been criticized as antisemitic, wrote of "the schemes of the International Jews" including a "world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality."

Cooper offered a reductive summary of Churchill's crude picture, saying "He basically says, look, we can have it one way or the other. These people are either going to tear our continent and our civilization apart, trying to find a way for like them to fit in or burn it down on the way, or they can have their own country and they can just go be a normal people like everybody else."

The Host's Extremist Record

Cooper's host, Alabama resident Peter R. Quinones, has since 2017 published hundreds of hours of podcast content marked by racism and antisemitism. Recently that has included urging listeners to take direct action against Jewish and nonwhite neighbors.

In a podcast last month responding to US attacks on Iran—which he attributed entirely to Israel's malign influence—Quinones urged listeners to boycott businesses owned by Jews.

"It's Jews," he began. "You can't live with them. You can't allow them in. If you allow them in, you have to suppress them. But it's better not to allow them in."

Quinones continued: "Don't do business with them. Do as much business as you can with Heritage Americans."

("Heritage Americans" is a phrase that, according to right-wing commentator Mike Coté, the so-called New Right uses to describe "the ethnic population of the United States prior to 1940, with a strong emphasis on Anglo-Protestant Europeans.")

In the same broadcast, Quinones also said "Don't do business with Indians," adding "We got an app down here that some of the guys at the Alabama Old Glory Club are doing, which is to show which gas stations and hotels are not owned by Indians here."

In other recent podcasts, Quinones has promoted elaborate antisemitic conspiracy theories often promoted by white supremacist groups, including claims that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by Mossad and that Jews orchestrated a deliberate effort to undermine western culture through "Cultural Marxism."

Nevertheless, Cooper praised Quinones at the end of last week's broadcast, saying "I really appreciate the work you're doing", adding that recent podcast series from Quinones were "really invaluable educational tools, especially for young people coming into the right and want to learn about this stuff".

Cooper added, "when somebody comes into the right and they want to educate themselves, they look around and there's just not a lot out there. And you're providing that service."

He concluded, "And I hope that you know how much, I mean, not just me, but I think a lot of people out there really appreciate it."

Cooper's Controversial History

Cooper's first appearance on Carlson's show on September 3, 2024, attracted fierce criticism after he appeared to make revisionist arguments about the Holocaust and presented Winston Churchill rather than Adolf Hitler as "the real villain" of World War II.

Cooper subsequently appeared on the Joe Rogan Experience on March 13, 2025, where Rogan defended him from charges of antisemitism that had arisen after his Carlson appearance.

"So when I saw these attacks on you and people were calling you an antisemite and a Nazi apologist, I was like, Good Lord, this is not going to work on people who know him," Rogan said.

He also recommended Cooper's show to his listeners, calling it "one of the very best long form history podcasts that's available online", and saying that they would see that "there's no fucking way the person who made that is antisemite in any way, shape or form."

In a June episode of his show, Carlson reacted sharply to Senator Ted Cruz in a contentious discussion in his of the U.S. attack on Iran in support of Israel, claiming that Cruz had implied that he was an antisemite in a "sleazy, feline way"